[Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?

Mon Mar 4 22:06:39 CET 2013

Dear Alice,

since the data about the finds is very bad, and the only source I had was
Mirko Malez, for the purpose of making the poster I couldn't go much
further into investigation. On the other hand, after the "poster intro", my
goal was to "scan" all the finds much better and eventually publish the
results. But as life tends to turn its own way, this idea had to be put on
hold.

However, this year I am definetly planning to continue my research and any
kind of help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Best,
Maja

2013/3/4 Alice Choyke <choyke at ceu.hu>

> Dear Maja,
>      Are some of those projectile points early Bronze age or do they all
> date to Late Bronze Age contexts? Are you sure they are cortical bone and
> not antler? Similarly for the perforated object - is it certainly bone?
>
> Best,
> Alice
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Maja G. <majagrguric at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I couldn't seem to find the time to send you the picture of a very
>> similar object found in Cave Vindija, from northwestern Croatia. Here is a
>> text (in croatian, but there is a shor summary in english in the end) from
>> the poster a made a few years ago, about the bone artefact finds from upper
>> layer of the cave. Unfortunately, the stratigrafy is not clear. There is
>> also a drawing of the same type of object found in the Early Bronze Age
>> Austrian necropolis, wich I used as help for age determination. There was
>> no other info about the object from Austria. I hope it helps.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Maja Grgurić, dipl.arh.
>>
>> Vektra d.o.o.
>> B. Vodnika 4B
>> Varaždin
>>
>>
>> 2013/3/4 Etan Ayalon <etana at eretzmuseum.org.il>
>>
>>> By the way, on October 30, 2012 Putelat Oliviers sent a mail about a
>>> piece of bone with a rather similar row of holes, found in an Iron Age salt
>>> works in Lorrain, France. You, Sonia, had a suggestion for its use.****
>>>
>>> Etan****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:
>>> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On Behalf Of *S O'Connor
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2013 12:31 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the
>>> study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?****
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>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I will ask Erik if he can be any more precise about the date.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Sonia****
>>>
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>>>
>>> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University
>>> of York****
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>>> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu
>>> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On Behalf Of *Etan Ayalon
>>>
>>> *Sent:* 03 March 2013 06:22
>>> *To:* Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for
>>> thestudy of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?****
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>>> ** **
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>>> What is the date of this object?****
>>>
>>> Etan****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [
>>> mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu<bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu>]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Selena Vitezovic
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 01, 2013 6:50 PM
>>> *To:* Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the
>>> study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?****
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>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> There is a paper from M. Meneses Fernandez on similar objects (although
>>> from Neolithic), with experimental results, in the volume "Trace et
>>> fonction: les gestes retrouvés", eds. P. Anderson, S. Beyries, M. Otte and
>>> H, Plisson.
>>>
>>> best regards, Selena ****
>>>
>>> On 1 March 2013 17:45, S O'Connor <S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.uk> wrote:****
>>>
>>> Thank you for these observations François, I will pass them on to Erik.*
>>> ***
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> All the best,****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Sonia****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University
>>> of York****
>>>
>>> Post-doctoral Research Fellow****
>>>
>>> Archaeological Sciences****
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>>> Division of AGES,  ****
>>>
>>> University of Bradford****
>>>
>>> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK****
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>>> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:
>>> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On Behalf Of *François Poplin
>>> *Sent:* 01 March 2013 14:33
>>> *To:* bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Indeed, the worn of the "entire broken" end is more moticeable than the
>>> wear of the "last" (complete) hole (it's clear that another, a "more last"
>>> hole was there, and necessarily - the thing won't break between to holes).
>>> The wear of the inter-hole may be due to a leather strap/band rather than
>>> to a thread, for the worn spreads widely in the hole (and not causing an
>>> ogival bay). That makes me think of an attachment for hanging the piece or,
>>> rather, for attaching something to it, as in a "porte clés". Again, the
>>> whole worn of that end is the more important thing; maybe was the break
>>> rasped first in orther to make it "flat", to get rid of the irregularity.
>>>
>>> the repeated drill-holes (made with the same drill, I suppose) did not
>>> receive moving thread, string, as they show no worn - but, for the same
>>> rason, they coud have received firm bars of wood, for instance, as in a
>>> ladder. I don't dare to thing that this was just an exercise of drilling...
>>> : after the break, maybe, not before; and the hole are too regurlarly
>>> distrbuited (in line and in equidistance)
>>>
>>> Inbetween, the clok has run.. I have to stop.
>>>
>>> Your's.
>>>
>>> Le 01/03/2013 13:37, S O'Connor a écrit : ****
>>>
>>> Dear All,****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> I am forwarding on this enquiry from a student at the University of
>>> Durham.  I have objects like this, but not so thick, in wood and plastic on
>>> which I store my different coloured threads when I am working on an
>>> embroidery project.  However the pattern of wear does not really support
>>> this use.  Perhaps the wear and polish at the broken end suggests a reuse
>>> of something originally made for an entirely different purpose.  If you
>>> have any suggestions or parallels, please let me know and I will forward
>>> them on to Erik.****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> All the best,****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Sonia****
>>>
>>> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University
>>> of York****
>>>
>>> Post-doctoral Research Fellow****
>>>
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>>> Division of AGES,  ****
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>>> University of Bradford****
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>>>
>>> Dear Dr. O'Connor,
>>>
>>> My name is Erik Farrell; I am a student in the MA Artefact Conservation
>>> programme at Durham university, and am currently working on identifying a
>>> bone object for the Durham Oriental Museum. I suspect it to be either a
>>> tool associated with textile manufacture, or potentially an oddly shaped
>>> spacer bead, but because of the poor survival rate of textile tools am
>>> having a difficult time finding any comparable examples. I contacted Dr.
>>> Mary Brooks here at Durham, and she recommended I contact you as someone
>>> with expertise in both bone artefacts and textiles.
>>>
>>> The object is made of bone; I am working on getting a species
>>> identification, but have managed to rule out ivory. It is from Egypt, but
>>> it is from an older collection, so I do not yet have a date range or
>>> cultural period.
>>>
>>> You can see in the photos that the broken end is tapered on the
>>> surviving piece, and looks like it would have come to a point or a rounded
>>> point. There are holes along the entire length, but only the hole at the
>>> complete end shows wear; it looks like it has been worn by a thread passing
>>> through the hole, wrapped around the back end of the object. It is this
>>> wear pattern that makes me think textile manufacture may be an option. I
>>> don't really know what to make of the lack of comparable wear in the other
>>> holes.
>>>
>>> I have attached the artefact photos and a scan of the archaeological
>>> drawing to this email. I am hoping your background and knowledge of bone
>>> objects and textile production may give some insight on potential uses for
>>> this object. I have also included a couple photos of breaks under the
>>> microscope on the chance that you might be able to give some insight into
>>> what sort of bone this is, but I know that sort of identification is
>>> usually done with the object in hand. Any information you can give me -
>>> even if it is just speculation on potential uses for a tool of this size
>>> and shape - would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much,
>>>
>>> Erik Farrell****
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