[Bonetools] Braiding disc

[Dave Constantine]

Hello Sonia,

Thank you for the link. The disc I posted was made with the slots rather 
than grooves because they were specifically asked for. I can see what you 
mean about wear, but I think it will be primarily used with linen and so 
there won't be too much rubbing, also when it was finished the edges of the 
slots were smoothed.

David Constantine


-----Original Message----- 
From: S O'Connor
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 3:04 PM
To: 'Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study 
ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.'
Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Braiding disc

Dear Both,

I use a modern form of this disc in plastic for Kumihino braiding.  The
slots work better as shorter, smoother sided 'v's on the edge of the disc. I
can see your version causing wear and breakage of the threads.  I think that
in the traditional form the discs are mounted on legs (like a kitchen stool
with a hole in the middle of the seat) and have a smooth, rounded edge with
no slots at all. See, for instance,
http://www.codesmiths.com/shed/things/kumihimo/ .

Sonia

Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of
York
Post-doctoral Research Fellow
Archaeological Sciences
Division of AGES,
University of Bradford
Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK

tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
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-----Original Message-----
From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu
[mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of Dave Constantine
Sent: 03 October 2012 13:09
To: WBRG
Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Braiding disc

Thanks for the reply and link Lena. That seems to confirm what I had
suspected.

David Constantine

-----Original Message-----
From: Lena Strid
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:31 AM
To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of
object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn. ;
dkconstantine at btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Braiding disc

Hi David,

This has been discussed several times in the re-enactor scene, and so far
no-one has been able to find any actual evidence of it, medieval or
otherwise. It has been suggested that the discs come from Japanese kumihino
braiding, but apparently, if so, they are a modern item (see comments in the
link below).

Here's a good summary from a very authentically-minded and knowledgeable
woman:
http://ragnvaeig.livejournal.com/494432.html

/Lena


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Constantine" <dkconstantine at btinternet.com>
To: "WBRG" <bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October, 2012 11:01:48 AM
Subject: [Bonetools] Braiding disc

Hello,

Attached is a photo of a replica braiding disc I was asked to make in horn
for an Early Medieval re-enactor. I have been trying to find a provenance
for it, but cannot seem to find any solid evidence. The closest I have come
across is a rumour that a similar disc exists in the museum at the Slagelse
Trelleborg fort, but I am having no luck in contacting them about it.

Has anyone on the list come across anything similar to this item in a
European Early medieval context? I have seen replicas made from bone, antler
and horn but actual evidence of their existence seems elusive.

Thanks,

David Constantine
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