[Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool
Alice Choyke
h13017cho at iif.hu
Sat Mar 5 19:02:45 CET 2011
So - are we back at the mechnanism idea or what? Sonia - do you have any
ideas? Or Marloes with your strange 16th-17th centruy objects?
Alice
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Etan Ayalon <etana at eretzmuseum.org.il>wrote:
> I think metal threads would have left deep scratches in the soft antler,
> which the photo doesn't show.
> Etan Ayalon
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> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu on behalf of Alice Choyke
> Sent: Sat 3/5/2011 2:51 AM
> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study
> ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.
> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool
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> But to return to poor Michael's original object - I really wonder whether
> this could be a draw plate for metal threads given how soft antler is. It is
> really a puzzle.
>
> Alice
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> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:42 PM, S O'Connor <S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> The name for this is a draw plate.
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> Sonia
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> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow,
> University of York
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> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:
> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of Gun-Britt
> Sent: 04 March 2011 12:09
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> thestudy of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.
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> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool
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> Hi and sorry for delayed answer.
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> I try to attach the drawing I made, and I hope you understand how I
> think-this would mean (I guess) that perhaps a "top" to this tool is
> missing, or if not, that they - like Etan suggested - used it for thongs or
> something softer and just used their finger to "top" it...i.e. to stop the
> what-ever-they-were-using to slip out of the groove. Sorry about the size,
> and hope it works,
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> **Gun-Britt, Sweden
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> <http://62.90.210.236:801/exchange/etana/Drafts/image001.jpg>
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> From: Etan Ayalon <mailto:etana at eretzmuseum.org.il>
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> for thestudy ofobjectand waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn. <mailto:
> bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:12 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool
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> Dear all,
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> In the Levant, at least, such metal threads were
> traditionally made by goldsmiths with a different tool - a piece of metal
> with many small holes of various diameters. This piece was mounted on a
> wooden base equipped with a small pulley on each side. The thread was tied
> to one pulley, passed through the largest hole and pulled through it using
> the other pulley. Then it was transferred to the next, smaller hole etc.
> etc.
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> I was thinking about a tool used to straighten or strech
> strings and thongs, made for instance of leather, by holding one of them in
> one of the tool's slices, locking it in place with the finger and then
> pulling the tool along the string.
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> Etan Ayalon
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> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:
> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of Alice Choyke
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 11:07 PM
> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group
> for the study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.
> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool
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> Dear Gun-Britt,
>
> Could you send us a picture of this tool and explain how
> it works? I have never heard about such things and am now very curious
> indeed.
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> Cheers!
>
> Alice
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> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Gun-Britt <
> lazy-b at algonet.se> wrote:
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> Hello all,
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> I am a lurking list-member, just enjoying reading all your
> inputs. I think too toward a metalworking tool, in making threads of metal
> of different thicknesses. It sure looks like a sort of "key" or mechanism,
> but hey, I have done some goldsmithing, and we used a similar tool to pull
> the metal into thinner and thinner threads. Hard work, but tin - as
> suggested earlier - is a very soft metal.
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> Just a thought,
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> Please continue,
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> Love and blessings,
>
> **Gun-Britt Blomdahl
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> 5th year, thesis-writing at Linnaeus University, Kalmar,
> Sweden
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Christian Küchelmann <mailto:
> info at knochenarbeit.de>
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> To: BONETOOLS of bone <mailto:
> bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
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> Cc: Michael Olausson <mailto:
> michael.olausson673 at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 6:12 PM
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> Subject: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool
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> Dear all,
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> following up a request by Michael Olausson that has
> already been sent to the list by Alice last week (see below) I would like to
> add that the tool is now permanently visible for further discussion on the
> Mystery bone tool page of the WBRG website at
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> http://www.wbrg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=20
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> Best
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> Christian
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> Dear All,
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> I am forwarding a letter and photo from a
> Swedish colleague. Another strange tool. It looks like some part of a
> mechanism - a locking mechanism? However Michael Olausson also says it has
> some resemblances to a tool used by the Sami for producing tin thread! If
> you reply to Michael could you also please CC the list so we can all read
> about it?
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> Alice
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Michael Olausson <
> michael.olausson673 at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:55 AM
> Subject: A strange antler tool
> To: h13017cho at helka.iif.hu
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> Dear Dr. Alice Choyke,
> Dr Kordula Gostencnik suggested that I should
> contact You in this
> matter. I will send You my letter to her as well
> with the picture of
> the item. Dr Gostencnik dod?t regard the toll as one
> conected to
> textil handcraft. She suggestes that it might be a
> toy, I do not agree
> with her, if it should look like a "bear" then it
> should be made as a
> bear! Since there are three differnt kinds of
> "measurements" of the
> teeth, I radaer would thinkt that it has been used
> to make threads ore
> to measure threads. We have a little discussion in
> Stockholm if it
> could be used for metal, silver and gold.
> The tool wich has many similarties with a Roman
> antler key, was found
> in mixed layers on a house terrace on the hilltop
> site,
>
> "H?hensiedlung" Runsa frpm the 5th & 6th centuries.
>
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> It would be nice if You could have some ideas,
> references.
>
> Yours Sincerely
> Michael Olausson
> ass.prof
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