[Bonetools] object 16/17th c

Fri Feb 25 08:48:40 CET 2011

Dear Marloes.

I am also thinking it can be a composite comb, but I agree with you; the date is very late. The thing that puzzles me is the lack of holes. For a traditional composite comb, you need more holes in order to keep the plates together and you wouldn´t saw into the plates from the other direction, because it would cutting the structure of the bone or antler. The plate should then be of something else, in example wood.

In order to be a comb "futeral" - the piece that protects the piece on the comb - the holes only need to be in each end. But then the piece never has any sawmarks. The example below is from WD Tempel and his Elisenhof combs:

Tempels gruppe A-kamme. 2:3 (Tempel, W.-D. 1979: Abb. 2).

Tempel, W.-D. 1979: Die Kämme. I: Die frühgeschichtlichen Marschensiedlung beim Elisenhof in Eiderstedt. Studien zur Küstenarchaölogie Schleswig-Holsteins. Serie A Elisenhof, Band 3. Frankfurt am Main.

Greetings,

Sarah Qvistgaard

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Fra: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] På vegne af Marloes Rijkelijkhuizen
Sendt: 24. februar 2011 18:55
Til: bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
Emne: Re: [Bonetools] object 16/17th c

Dear all,

Thank you for all of your comments! I was thinking about a composite comb too (I have seen many combs with very regular spaced teeth) .There are a just few examples of composite combs in the Netherlands from the late medieval period (14th/15th century), however I haven't seen any later dated examples.. Maybe it is nog very well visible in the photograph, but the upper side is sligthly curved, which is not very useful for a folding ruler I believe. It is made of bone or antler. 

Best wishes,

Marloes

(Steve, it is the same!)

> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 08:46:00 +0100
> From: info at bikkelenbeen.nl
> To: bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] object 16/17th c
> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> My name is Monica Tielens from the Netherlands. Since a year or so I am
> reading this mailing list. I find it very interesting because I am a bone
> carver. When I saw the picture at first I had the same idea, ruler or
> piece of a composite comb. But it is to regular for a composite comb, and
> you see that the maker has made a mistake in making it regular, just a
> little bit right from the middle part. If you are making a comb you are
> not doing this. The angle is different. And what my opinion is that there
> has been no composite combs in the Netherlands in the 16th and 17th
> century but perhaps Marloes knows more about this period.
> 
> Greetings Monica Tielens
> Bikkel en Been
> 
> > Of course, the comb hypothesis makes total sense. Marloes - did such
> > composite combs exist in the 16th-17th century?
> >
> > Alice
> >
> > 2011/2/21 Bénédicte Khan <benedicte.khan at gmail.com>
> >
> >> Hello Marlos and Alice,
> >>
> >> I know there are wooden equivalents existing where several of these
> >> where
> >> attached together so it would be a bigger ruler when needed and then
> >> could
> >> be shortened by folding one back on another. But I must admit that the
> >> piece
> >> you sent seems a little too short to belong to such a system.. But why
> >> not?
> >> Moreover, the fact that the sides are not flat does bug me a little,
> >> because it could be hard to measure properly with a non straight ruler..
> >>
> >> It looks a lot more like the central part of a composite comb to me, as
> >> those found in Roman and Medieval contexts. Indeed, there is a part of a
> >> composite comb found in France that wears almost the same marks (though
> >> it
> >> is more decorated, the cuts on the longest sides are definitely there).
> >> You
> >> can find it in J.C Beal's catalogue *Les objets de tabletterie antique
> >> du
> >> musée archéologique de Nîmes, *1984. N°384.
> >>
> >> Here's the object I'm talking about: the cuts may not be as regular as
> >> yours, but I hope this might still help.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Bénédicte.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2011/2/21 Alice Choyke <h13017cho at iif.hu>
> >>
> >> Dear Marlos,
> >>> It does look like a ruler in some manufacturing process where large
> >>> and small units of equal size need to be marked out. You do have the
> >>> most
> >>> interesting objects. I wonder if there is some modern equivelent in
> >>> metal?
> >>>
> >>> Alice
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Marloes Rijkelijkhuizen <
> >>> marloesrijkelijkhuizen at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Any suggestions? (16th/17th century AD).
> >>>>
> >>>> Best, Marloes
> >>>>
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