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[Elisabeth Ann Stone]

Ah....now I've also seen the rest of this thread....  Yes, Alice, the shape
is very much like a mat needle, although I also haven't seen one that's this
shape and not made on a rib.  Mat needles are often perforated in the
center, although not 100% of the time.

I am attaching one document with a fish stringer and one with some mat
needles, both from ethnographic contexts.  Any thoughts?

Beth

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Elisabeth Ann Stone <
elisabethastone at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are very similar (curved and antler) objects, particularly common in
> Siberia, that are called "fish needles".  They are for stringing fish.
>  However, to me, this looks too wide and flat.  But it's another similar
> purpose to keep in mind...
>
> Beth
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Alice Choyke <h13017cho at iif.hu> wrote:
>
>> My problem with it being a weaving shuttle is that it is curved. correct
>> me if I am wrong but it would be very awkward to move it at all between the
>> warp threads. I am wondering why ANTLER was chosen to make a tool that could
>> be easily produced on cattle rib - much more work involved this way.
>>
>> Alice
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Etan Ayalon <etana at eretzmuseum.org.il>wrote:
>>
>>>  Dear Olivier,
>>> This nice object looks like a weaving shuttle. Exact parallels were
>>> used in Israel since the Neolithic period (6th-5th millenia BCE). cf.:
>>> Bar Yosef, Ofer. 1988. *Nahal* *Hemar Cave* ('Atiqot Series). Israel
>>> Antiquities Authority. Jerusalem (Neolithic).
>>> Bar Adon, Pesah. 1980. *The Cave of the Treasures, The Finds from the
>>> Caves in Nahal Mishmar*. Israel Exploration Society. Jerusalem
>>> (Chalcolithic). Good photo of the same: Ayalon, Etan and Sorek, Chagit.
>>> 1999. *Bare Bones, Ancient Artifacts from Animal Bones* (Catalogue,
>>> Eretz Israel Museum). Tel Aviv, Fig. 27.
>>> And so on, it has not changed in many periods.
>>> Sincerely yours
>>> Etan Ayalon
>>> Israel
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>>> ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.
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>>>
>>>  Dear colleagues, we found on the settlement of Erstein (late bronze
>>> age), located near Strasbourg (Alsace, France), an antler artefact (photos
>>> attached). The dimensions are as follows:
>>>
>>> - length 165 mm
>>>
>>> - width 26 mm
>>>
>>> - thickness: 2.3 to 2.4 mm
>>>
>>> - diameter hole: 5.5 mm
>>>
>>> Does somebody have an idea of the possible function of this object? Thanks
>>> in advance. Sincerely yours. OP.
>>>
>>>
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Elisabeth A. Stone
Department of Anthropology, Graduate Program in Archaeology
MSC01-1040, Anthropology 1
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM 87131

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