[Bonetools] worn scapulae

[rozalia christidou]

Dear Christian,
As I said to Etan, I have never seen such deep grooves made by threads that 
cover a handle.
This is why I cannot answer Lionel's question and asked him if I could ask 
the others. I don't pretend to know everything.
I have on the contrary experimental objects which were used to soften and 
stretch threads and I proposed to Lionel to have a look at them too, since 
he has examinedd them. I did not.
But at this moment I am in Greece.
For any news about these objects, we let you know.
Rozy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christian Küchelmann" <info at knochenarbeit.de>
To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study 
ofobject and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn." 
<bonetools at listserv.iif.hu>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Bonetools] worn scapulae


> Dear Rozalia,
>
> I would like to emphasize that the grooves have a U-shaped instead of a 
> V-shaped cross section. Further they look polished even in the deep of the 
> groove. This is unlikely if not impossible if using any sharp-edged object 
> on the bone (e. g. for butchery). It must therefore have been something 
> with a rounded surface. I think a thread is not completely out of 
> question, but I agree with Etan that it will not cause such a mark by 
> simple impession (e. g. tight tying around the bone). Instead I would 
> suggest a repeated movement on the bone, like a cord running over an edge. 
> Just an idea, however.
>
> Best
>
> Christian
>
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> rozalia christidou schrieb:
>> Exactly. As you say. I have never seen such deep grooves on the 
>> experimental
>> tools. This is why I can't answer Lionel's question.
>> I shall send to him all of the answers I get and let you know about
>> experiments and their results, if he's willing to make them.
>> You've a great help.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etan Ayalon" 
>> <etana at eretzmuseum.org.il>
>> To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study
>> ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn."
>> <bonetools at listserv.iif.hu>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:50 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Bonetools] worn scapulae
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Rozalia,
>> It does not seem probable that threads, even if tightened, can make such
>> grooves, especially that they are not even or completely circling the
>> object. It seems that they are the result of butchery or of cleaning the
>> bone to prepare it for its purpose, and only later this part of the tool 
>> got
>> polished because of the work done with it. Perhaps thread or cloth were 
>> tied
>> to it so it would be more comfortable to hold ans use. I wonder if the
>> experts of use-wear found out what signs leave sweating hands holding a 
>> tool
>> for a long time.
>> Etan Ayalon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.iif.hu on behalf of rozalia christidou
>> Sent: Thu 11/22/2007 9:33 PM
>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for
>> Subject: [Bonetools] worn scapulae
>>
>> Dear all,
>> Dr. Lionel Gourichon sent to me photographs of tools made from scapulae
>> showing polished grooves near or on the neck of the bone. As you can see 
>> on
>> the photographs attached, their number, length and distribution vary.
>> He asked me if these marks could be produced by threads tightly tied 
>> around
>> the neck in order to prepare a handle for the tool.
>> I cannot answer his question. I asked his permission to circulate the
>> photographs on this website and ask for information.
>> We have already experimental specimens used as thong stretchers and, of
>> course, we have examined the examples published by Semenov and, more
>> recently, Dr. Sandra Olsen and comparisons will be made. We would 
>> appreciate
>> your help in order to examine the problem properly.
>> We thank you in advance
>> Rozalia Christidou
>> PS.
>> 1) I sent the photos in two separate e-mails. The photos come from 
>> different
>> objects.
>> 2) To Etan Ayalon: I started looking at the bibliography and ask 
>> Classical
>> Archaeologists for more information
>
>
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