Change of Venue

Fri Jun 11 15:43:23 CEST 1999

I've received the change of venue notice and tripling up is no problem.  I
beg the indulgence of other list members, but as this is the only way I can
currently get e-mail to Alice, I am going to add some comments about
problems with her private e-mail.

Alice,

You might try persuading your local administrators at ella.hu and I think
it's really at helka.hu to stop using the ORBS database as a screen.  I am
appending discussion that indicates why this is a bad idea.  So far I
haven't been able to get around this from this end, and I can only reach
the Hungarian administrators through the most round-about route.  In the
mean time, I can receive mail from the ella and helka domains, but anything
I send them bounces back.

At 5/14/199912:00 PM, James W. Howell wrote:
>In short the people running the ORBS db are a bunch of quacks.  This is
>well known amongst clueful internet folks.  In fact the ORBS ISP is
>constantly yelling at them for this.  ORBS is now on their 3rd ISP that I
>know of in the last 2 years.
>Jim
>
>At 03:13 PM 5/12/99 -0400, Donald J. A. Redick wrote:
>>
>>The problem is that whoever is paying attention to the ORBS database
>>doesn't realize that it can be fine to relay mail outside of your
>>domain. Our mail server must forward from other .ORGs withing our
>>domain.
>>
>>postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu is in the ORBS database for relaying mail.
>>(so are a bunch of other cornell servers.)
>>
>>The problem is not ours as much as the Admin Domain who is putting
>>stock in the ORBS database since it is not official nor sactioned
>>by any authority.
>>
>>You need to send mail to that domain by servers that are not in the
>>ORBS databases which means a mail server that only servers cornell.edu
>>and nothing else. Possibly someone's UNIX machines that is configured
>>that way.
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>--djar @ CIT
>>*************************************
>>Donald J. A. Redick
>>Network Administrator for Cornell.edu
>>Cornell Information Technologies
>>Cornell University
>>607-255-0264
>>dredick at nmc.cit.cornell.edu
>>*************************************
>>
>>
>>
>>In message <4.1.19990512140410.01bb23e0 at lmbass.cit.cornell.edu>you write:
>>>I did a traceroute and the following IP shows that it belongs to resnet
>>>student IP address.
>>>newnmc:[~] traceroute 128.253.240.23
>>>traceroute to 128.253.240.23 (128.253.240.23), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
>>> 1  ETC9-NP.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (128.253.180.1)  1 ms  1 ms  1 ms
>>> 2  ETC1-MSS.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (132.236.231.253)  2 ms  2 ms  2 ms
>>> 3  CLARA1-MSS.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (128.253.222.19)  3 ms  3 ms  2 ms
>>> 4  CLARA3-NP.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (132.236.231.20)  3 ms  3 ms  3 ms
>>> 5  PEK5.RESNET.CORNELL.EDU (128.253.240.23)  5 ms  5 ms  4 ms
>>>
>>>Don what can we do about this?
>>>And what steps should Shelly take in order to remove block?
>>>Any help will be appreciated.
>>>****************************************************************************
>>>******************
>>>At 12:17 PM 5/12/99 -0400, Shelly Marino wrote:
>>>>Hi Juan and Jim.  Remember the ORBS problem with some Hungarian email?
>>>>Turns out that
>>>>132.236.56.10 is in the ORBS database.  A check
>>>>(http://www.orbs.org/verify1.cgi/) produced the following info:
>>>>
>>>>"Database Check - 132.236.56.10
>>>>          This server is included in the ORBS automated database because
>>>>it's delivering relay test messages back to ORBS which were injected by the
>>>>ORBS tester to the following address(es):
>>>>           128.253.240.23
>>>>          .... entry last updated 1999-04-20 13:16:05 UTC (yyyy-mm-dd
>>>>hh:mm:ss)"
>>>>
>>>>What is 128.253.240.23?  Where do we go from here?  The user (below) is
>>>>still unable to send.
>>>>TIA for your help with this, --Shelly Marino
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>X-Sender: nr29 at postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu
>>>>>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:54:37 -0400
>>>>>X-PH: V4.1 at postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified)
>>>>>To: mkm1 at cornell.edu (Michelle K Marino)
>>>>>From: Nerissa Russell <nr29 at cornell.edu>
>>>>>Subject: Re: bouncing e-mail
>>>>>
>>>>>Shelly,
>>>>>
>>>>>I finally managed to get through to Hungarian administrators by a
>>>>>circuitous route.  They say it _is_ our server.  What can we do?
>>>>>
>>>>>Rissa
>>>>>
>>>>>>Status: U
>>>>>>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:32:12 +0200 (MET DST)
>>>>>>From: Andras Toth <Andras.Toth at ella.hu>
>>>>>To: Nerissa Russell <nr29 at cornell.edu>
>>>>>>cc: Choyke Alice <h13017cho at ella.hu>, postmaster at sztaki.hu
>>>>>>Subject: Re: bouncing e-mail
>>>>>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear Nerissa Russell,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have checked
>>>>>>> with the network administrators here, and they assure me that our
>servers
>>>>>>> are not on the ORBS list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm afraid they are wrong. The ORBS list does contain one of your smtp
>>>>>>server, namely postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (132.236.56.10). See the
>>>>>>ORBS web site http://www.orbs.org and you can verify this. We are awfully
>>>>>>sorry you have such difficulties. It would be nice this server won't have
>>>>>>been open mail relay any longer, then the ORBS list won't advertise it
>>>>>>either. In the meantime you should consider to choose another smtp
server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would greatly appreciate anything you can do to alleviate this
>>>>>>> problem.  Having been overjoyed that I can now so easily contact
>Hungarian
>>>>>>> friends and colleagues, it is now very frustrating not to be able to
>do so
>>>>>>> any longer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Koszonom szepen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nerissa Russell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nagyon szivesen.
>>>>>>Hope this problem can be solved soon and then you are able to send
>>>>>>messages toward us again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best whishes,
>>>>>>Toth Andras